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Motherfucker.

Gay marriage is one of the very few issues where I genuinely cannot even begin to fathom the opposing argument. The legal right for gay people to marry wouldn't affect straight couples at all. Why on earth should this be so threatening? Does Bush think that if gay marriage became legal he'd be forced into a homosexual relationship? I just don't get it.

Date: 2004-08-12 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pharminatrix.livejournal.com
My reason for being adamantly pro-same-sex marriage is that the meaning of the ritual and the financial benefits attendant of marriage should not be relegated to heterosexual privilege. [livejournal.com profile] daoistraver and I will probably get married some day but as long as Bush is in office we will not sanction his reign with another heterosexual legal union with which to justify his cause.

Date: 2004-08-12 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uterdic.livejournal.com
There is no justification for it. If banning gay marriages is to promote family values, then we should not allow an over 50% divorce rate. If it is to make babies, then every married couple should be forced to have babies (like we really need that). If it's because of Leviticus, then we should also be forced to follow the other laws Leviticus Such as:

Not having sexual intercourse during a women's menstrual cycle
No Tattoos
Can only wear certain types jewelry
Cannot eat rare meat
Cannot wear clothing made from a blended textiles (cotton-polyester blends)
Cannot cross-breeding livestock
cannot sow a field with mixed seed
Cannot eat or touch the dead flesh of pigs, rabbits, & some forms of seafood
Men cannot cut their hair or beards

Some day in a history class, when gay marriage is legal, and kids are studying it, they will all laugh and be amazed that it ever happened. Like us with Women and Blacks voting.

It's really dumb.

Date: 2004-08-12 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donarepa.livejournal.com
THANK YOU! I just don't get it either. I think people like Bush (aka: people who regularly have conversations with God, in the form of their "Very Hungry Catterpillar" hardcover book) just don't have the mental capacity to fathom how name changes will work.

Date: 2004-08-12 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grammargirl.livejournal.com
I think people like Bush... just don't have the mental capacity to fathom how name changes will work.

*snickerfit*

God help us all! Legalization of gay marriage would leave us with a nation full of married homosexual polygamists forcing straight people to have butt-sex and depriving our children of Family Values and running around with HYPHENATED NAMES! The horror!

Also: that icon is awesome.

Date: 2004-08-12 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chronicfreetime.livejournal.com
It's not so hard to understand. If you believe that your marriage is blessed by god, and that homosexuals are sinners, then naturally you don't want them appropriating your halo of righteousness by calling their union a "marriage". If you think that your marriage serves a purpose and theirs doesn't, then you don't want them to receive the same respect or social benefits.

It's easy to arrive at a ridiculous conclusion when you start from ridiculous premises.

Date: 2004-08-12 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tafticus.livejournal.com
I agree with you morally, but this ruling doesn't have anything to do with Bush...there really was no other way for the court to rule, because state laws supercede local ordinances. The state of California needs to change the legal definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

Date: 2004-08-12 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boucinoffdawall.livejournal.com
well, you also have to look at the fact that marriage was originally the way to have "legitimate" children, and that children born out of marriage were not supposed to happen. I feel there are no "illigitimate" children, but rather many many illigitimate parents. What I'm not understanding is that if it is very little legal and very much symbolic, why can't the marriage be symbolic, without being legal? if people are fussing over a signed document, people can draw up their own legal documents. I can make a legal contract just by putting it in writing. The difference being is when it's recognized by the government. So is it really so symbolic? Also, I feel the separation of church and state is getting dangerously narrow with this issue. But nobody seems to be mentioning this very much at all.

Date: 2004-08-12 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boucinoffdawall.livejournal.com
immediately after posting, I realized my dastardly speeling airurrs. "illigitimate" should be illegitimate.

Date: 2004-08-12 09:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] corenrind
It occurs to me that "motherfucker" is an extremely funny thing to call an opponent of homo lovin'. Nice. Also, remember Jon Stewart's observations: "I was worried about gay marriage, but then I found out it wasn't mandatory."

I remember once seeing a great comment somewhere that what the Republicans most want America to believe is that the Democrats will kill your babies and fuck you in the ass.

I need to go to bed.

Date: 2004-08-13 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grammargirl.livejournal.com
Thank you! I've been trying to bring that Jon Stewart quote into conversations ever since I heard it, except I could never remember what he actually said. Now I can rest easy. Or something.

None of this posting comments at 4:30AM, missy. Don't make me go all mommy on your ass. *stern look*

How's life as a corporate whore?

Date: 2004-08-14 09:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] corenrind
The Stewart quote also involved some line about how he was also relieved because his wife would be mad.

Was it really 4:30 AM? I must have been sleepcommenting. NEW CRAZE! Clearly I am not yet adjusted to life as a whore. It is hard being a whore! I am not a very good whore! Except things are okay. I think my picture has edged into the dictionary entry on "ambivalence." That's me! We'll see, we'll see.

I am sad you are not here any more. Go ahead and be here again soon. Brandi posted a cute paragraph about Our Hilarious Evening you might like, at [livejournal.com profile] brantastic. Meg is over at [livejournal.com profile] rollerboogie, FYI. You know. Over yonder internet?

Ahoy.

Date: 2004-08-15 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haikon.livejournal.com
People do all kinds of things that don't affect me at all, but they still bug the hell out of me.
The Ku Klux Klan is still around. In some parts of the world, homosexuality is considered a mental disorder, and they treat it with electroshock therapy. A lot of ten year olds get thier clitorises(sp?) scraped off for no good reason. People are preforming acts of genocide. All of these things affect me far, far less than laws about gay marriage. I could understand why some one would want to ban gay marriage.

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